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Man am I confused? Charles Van Heusen has left me with many more questions

So I was reading what Charles Van Heusen has had to say about the up coming Windows Small Business Server Codename Cougar

What I can share about the versions is outlined in the slide above, the "standard edition" will include Windows Server 2008, Exchange 2007, and Windows SharePoint Services v3 out of the box.

The "premium edition" will include the same core products above, plus a new twist, a 2nd Windows Server 2008 Standard edition license, a flavor of SQL Server 2008, (which one has yet to be announced), as well as support for Virtualization.  Cougar will support the Hypervisor feature set (Virtualization) that Win2k8 standard supports. The RAM limitations will be the same as for Win2k8 standard.

Most customers purchased SBS2003 premium for SQL. With Cougar Premium, you can now offload the LOB app that relies on SQL on a separate server with the inclusion of Win2k8 standard and SQL 2008. This will also allow our customers who want to deploy terminal services in app sharing mode to do so on the second server.

Cougar DiagramNow I really like to see things in a graphical representation and this slide "should" have really helped me but here is where some of my confusion comes from.

Standard has Windows 2008, Sharepoint Services 3.x and Exchange 2007

Now Premium brings a second server on which I can do:

* SQL Server 2008 (??? Edition)

* Virtualization

* Terminal Services (as Charles suggested workload)

BUT I would not want to do any two together (just me) If I'm paying for SQL 2008 I will want to use it and I'm pretty sure I will not load it on a Terminal Server, so to me that makes it a separate server too. If I am reading press releases properly there will be a version of Windows Virtualization called Hypervisor Server which if I am not mistaken is the $28USD Virtualization Layer.

Here is what I would do given the diagram above and Charles Suggested possible workloads:

Deploy Cougar Standard features on Server 1

Deploy Hypervisor Server on the second Server Hardware then load the 2nd Sever Software to run SQL 2008 ??? Edition, then of course buy a third Windows 2008 Server to run as a Terminal Server (if needed depending on the customers Branch Office requirements)

I think this will be a greatly flexible solution if I can deploy it as I have described, I am a little more used to the SBS team being a lot more prescriptive with the deployment scenario so perhaps that will come later in the development cycle.

I do notice a missing piece from the picture and I wonder where it is intended to be deployed? There is no mention of System Center Essentials 2007 in what Charles has to say nor the Diagram. We know SCE 2007 is included because we have been told by many people over the last little while and the announcement was made as far back as TechED 2006, so not seeing it on the chart is a concern although this may just be that there is no decision as to which version of Cougar to release it on. ***Hint put it in BOTH editions***

Now if I were to speculate SCE 2007 would be a workload for Server 1 and to that end I have done some work with SBS 2003 R2 to run SCE 2007 and with the promised memory improvements SP1 will bring this seem to be a good choice, after all if a third server were deployed I'd be an ISA Server away from Essential Business Server 2008.

So where are we at? I am a little concerned that there is a far bit of deployment variation possible which is not very SBS Sized and I still don't know details of how this will be managed, however given the track record of dropping features, I have only really seen MS drop promised deliverables because they are not ready, so since SCE 2007 is already shipping I expect to hear more about where it fits in this suite very shortly.

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Windows Small Business Server, codename ‘Cougar’ | UK SMB Girl said:

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# January 15, 2008 12:57 AM

Initial thoughts on Cougar information « Andys Techie Blog said:

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# January 16, 2008 4:37 AM

Gwen Zierdt said:

Take a look at the support matrix for Essentials 2007 on SBS

www.microsoft.com/.../chartserver.mspx

Unfortunately I am unable to comment on SBS and SCE 2007 for Cougar.

Gwen Zierdt

The Real World is Messy: Making Sense with Essentials 2007

myitforum.com/.../default.aspx

# February 8, 2008 6:05 AM

Charles Van Heusen said:

David,

You're questions will be answered soon enough.  The Windows Server 2008 Launch kicks off in States on February 26th and my team will be delivering launch events starting the following week in March were we will have an hour of launch content devoted to Cougar and Centro.

Your questions and concerns are topics on the top of my list that I will be addressing on my blog as well as in our live events, webcasts, and even some "Partnercasts".

You can also find out more by going to www.SMBSummit.com and signing up for their conference in Dallas, if you are up for a short flight from your neck of the woods.  :-)

Keep up the great blogging!

Charles Van Heusen

Microsoft

# February 9, 2008 1:43 AM

David Mackie said:

Charles / Gwen,

When I wrote this I had not had time to look at the latest Cougar build and had been doing more with putting SCE 2007 on SBS 2003 R2 than Beta stuff.

I have asked and had answered all my questions on Connect and like the two of you can't talk about it, due to my NDA.

I will be very happy to discuss my thoughts and feelings after the first TS2 event when you blog what you discuss. Of course I will be very interested in what Robbie has to say when he does the Partner Launch Sessions here in Australia during our Launch Tour.

# February 9, 2008 8:22 PM

Scott McKenzie said:

Don't know why you wouldn't want to run SQL on the bare metal and TS in the Hypervisor.  With today's hardware it'll hardly break a sweat.

# February 10, 2008 9:59 PM

David Mackie said:

Thanks Scott more becuase I don't know how it will be licenced? In this configuration the Hypervisor would be running on a general purpose OS running applications that would be using resources.

Running servers on Hyper-V Server I assume would be less exposed to what the Apps it shares resources with do.

Even today I would prefer running CentOS with VMware Server to run an SBS Instanace and then a TS side by side to the configuration where I hear folk running Virtual Server or VMware on the SBS Server just my $0.02

# February 12, 2008 1:12 AM

Scott McKenzie said:

Hi David

I made that comment assuming it's going to be licensed the same as W2K8 Standard.  According to the W2K8 licensing FAQ "with Windows Server 2008 Standard, you may run one instance in the physical operating system environment and one instance in the virtual operating system environment."

www.microsoft.com/.../licensing-faq.aspx

With a quad core processor and up to 32GB of RAM (for 64bit) I would happily run SQL2008 on the W2K8 server and Terminal Services in a virtual instance on the same hardware.

I agree with you that running VS or VMware on SBS is a bad idea.  We're already strapped for RAM just running SBS and it's apps.

# February 12, 2008 9:06 AM

Quinton said:

Hi, is the limitation of CAL's still going to be 75 or is it expected to increase?

# February 16, 2008 1:58 AM

David Mackie said:

Hi Quinton,

Now as far as I know the CAL Limit will not change and I would not really expect it to.

IMO Once you hit 60 Users you are wanting more services, and with Essential Business Server being targeted between 50 and 250 ish users then 75 Would be a good fit for EBS 2008 (Centro)

# February 17, 2008 12:51 AM